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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I know this will be quite unpopular, but DVD is bad and I don't like it. As a rare video collector, I'm finding that DVD releases of many previously obscure titles are causing the original VHS prints to decrease in value. People have been tricked into buying DVD players so that they have to re-purchase their entire movie collection. I credit Anchor Bay for releasing titles that have never been released here before(Don't Torture a Duckling, Succubus, etc.). Unfortunately, when they release films like Torso or Autopsy, the original Prism Video versions become undesireable. Even though their version of The Beyond is uncut and of good print quality, the release hurts the value of Thriller Video's 7 Doors of Death. I had to work hard and spend a lot of money in the past seven years to amass my collection of rare European horror. Now, any bandwagon, wannabe kid can go to their local mall and buy the movies on DVD. What made Italian horror great a decade ago was that very few people were into it. The scene involved a small group of extremely dedicated fans. Now, everyone talks about director like Fulci, Deodato, Lenzi, S. Martino, Mattei, and Argento as if they were Wes Craven or John Carpenter. Mass public interest in any genre tends to make such a genre commercial and unimportant. This is extremely unpalatable for long time fans like myself. This situation does not lie solely upon the shoulders of DVD technology, but the two phenomena have frighteningly parallel paths of existence. To sum up my rant: DVD is evil... I hope it dies!
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Yes, keep the VHS alive
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Let me guess. You're the type of guy who supports those people who own the only copies of the old silent horror films (Edison's Frankenstein, or the trailer for Lugosi's Dracula) but refuse anyone permission to remaster and release them. After all, it is much more important for the collectors to have the only copies so they can horde them, rather than let the people enjoy them, right? And I'm sure the directors of these movies HATE seeing their work transferred so beautifully and getting the audience they finally deserve. I know they'd much rather have the only copies be poor, edited, pan-and-scan transfers, and only a few people have even seen them.
I've seen weird reasons to hate DVD (and other reasons like Spectre's gremlin-infested DVD player), but this takes the cake.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Geez, what a case of sour grapes.
I think I may buy a few more "euro" DVD's just to help DECREASE your collection you selfish collector!
Man, I don't own the ORIGINAL Tales form the Crypt, Vault of Horror, or Haunt of Fear comic books. I wasn't alive when they were out. But I damn sure will buy a REPRINT. I actually love the stories. The artwork. The obvious rip offs of HP LOVECRAFT. And I'm sure most of the writer's and artist for that era will be happy to know a new generation is enjoying their work. Not someone scooping up their stuff for collection purposes.
Mad props to EC comics, and Jack Kirby, Will Eisner, Frank Frazetta and others who influenced my path.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I do believe when film-makers released their films their intentions where to entertain and to make money. I don't believe their target audience were collectors of video tapes (sometimes 60 years later). Than again I could be wrong. Just a quick question, how many times can you watch one of your prized videos before the tape wears or gets eaten? You're not collecting stamps, you 're collecting videos that you have to put into a machine in order to enjoy them. You're relying very heavily on that machine not to eat one of your prized possesions.
Now, how do you feel?
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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"Dad-burn it! These new-fangled horseless carriages ain't never gonna replace my good ol' hoss Bessie!" Hee hee hee!
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Or are you the type that went out and spent $100 or more for a rare foreign pre-record of "Cannibal Ferox" only to let it gather dust in a corner somewhere, afraid to watch it because it might decrease the value? If so, you're a sucker.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Wait a mitnute,you're telling me it's bad that Anchor Bay put out an uncut version of THE BEYOND because it will make your cut up,rescored,bad looking tape will decrease in value?That makes sense."screw TENEBRAE,I'm holding onto my very valuable copy of UNSANE!"
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2001 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, that's the price you pay for "investing" in so-called "collector's items", there's no guarantee they will hold their value. Just ask anyone who got into the comic book collector's craze a few years ago. Those old Marvel comics I spent a fortune on back in the day didn't turn out to be such a great investment after all (they were a great read, though).
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 12:21 am Post subject: |
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I am happy to say that DVD will be around for a long long time (thank god)!!!! It is an unparraleled media. they beat the hell out of vhs, they are almoast not even compairible. and as for "whana- be horror fans" piss on that, what the hell is that anyway? just because they get into it a little later than everybody els that means they don't have the right to enjoy it like the rest of us? that is ridiculose, you must start some place.. Where wher you 7 years ago? probobly picking up horror wherever you could find it.(ie...the mall,and previously viewed copies from local video stores). Thats it, and good luck on your vhs colection, lol.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 5:23 am Post subject: |
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Oh c'mon & get off your elitist high horse!
Sure more people know who guys like Argento & Fulci are now,but it's not as if your going to stumble upon a group of teenagers at the local mall or 2 old guys at your corner bar discussing the finer points of DEEP RED & HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY !
If you want to keep on collecting "rare" VHS tapes go right ahead,but for God's sake watch the actual films on DVD if you actually want to enjoy them!
-Jim A.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Ah, so many things to respond to. I probablly won't be able to remember everyone's complaints while writing this response, so don't feel left out if I miss you. First of all, public domain is a good thing. The greed does not lie with collectors who want original prints, it lies with companies like Anchor Bay who gobble up PD films and release them for great personal profit. I own a few original Italian 35mm prints, and nobody can have 'em dammit. I don't collect movies per se, I collect original US video releases of Italian movies. I am not concerned with the picture quality or completeness of the movie. In the past, if I wanted the movie uncut, I would get a European version imported. For example, I have the uncut Greek versions of The Beyond and Cannibal Holocaust(just get a PAL VCR). The first thing you do when you get a rare video is make a copy of it for viewing purposes. This way, the original won't get damaged. (By the way, if you don't buy a piece of sh*t, thrift store VCR, it won't eat your tapes. I hate laser discs too, give me my Thriller Video version of Make Them Die Slowly any Day. Hmmm, what else? I can almost guarantee you that most of the directors of DVD'd movies won't see a dime in royalties. The re-release of thier films will have no impact on them...Hell, many of these directors are trying to put these "embarrassing" works behind them (eg. Deodato and Cannibal Holocaust). In closing, DVD is doing to VHS what Blockbuster did to mom and pop video stores. It is wrong, and solely inspired by corporate greed. I'm sure you're all just waiting until AB releases the complete guide to gay anal sex on DVD. It will give you all something to do.
P.S.- Read the latest Video Oyster newsletter for more anti-DVD writings and help support Norman's cause by visiting www.bideo.com. Oh, and to the one guy that agreed with me... rock on brother.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 6:13 am Post subject: |
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You know, I was talking to my sister-in-law about a year ago and she said that she would rather listen to LP's instead of CD's. Are you fucking nuts, it's called technology and only the end of the world will stop it, so get with the program and quit bitching about something you can't change!
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 6:36 am Post subject: |
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You think that's bad,last summer my wife and I were talking to a neighbor(a doctor mind you) and the subject of DVDs came up."i don't know" he said,"my sister says they sound real pretty,but i'm gonna stick to my records,cuz they won't last".Ah,the joys of living in The deep south.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2001 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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One thing I really appreciate about DVD, besides having a beautiful picture is the way it opens up the film for study.
You can easily jump to any point of the film and get a perfect freeze frame or instantly review a section, there are interesting commentaries to learn from, there are sections of historical interest (lobby cards, posters, etc.), associated documentaries, etc. etc. All in one small package.
While I don't think VHS (any BETA freaks still out there?) should be run out of town, I can't think of any really logical argument for avoiding DVD. There will always be neo-luddite types, I guess. At least they make you consider whether your new technology is really all it's cracked up to be (and it usually is, especially with DVD).
BTW, I'd rather have the common folk debating the merits of Argento and Bava over SCREAM or LOST SOULS anyday!
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