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Killer Klown
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 Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: "Nightmare on Elm Street" remake! |
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You called it, Casey,
I just read today in a news on Aceshowbiz.com, that they are going to begin the shooting of the remake of the first NOES in the spring of 09'. This has officially turned my stomach to the point past all human endurance. Rumors are that Robert Englund will not be playing Freddy in the main role, but will have a cameo.
I am disgusted and apolled, but oh well. Since remakes are never going to go away, why not remake a film that was not that great the first time around like "Pet Semetary"? Compared to the book, there is a LOT of room for improvement there. Or maybe "Jaws: The Revenge?" Anyways, would love to hear thoughts and feelings on this one. Thanks!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Feelings? Really kind of numb and pretty much uncaring at this point. Honestly, I am not opposed to remakes per se as long as they add something fresh to the storyline (ala Carpenter's The Thing). That said, I finally saw the preview to the new Friday the 13th and am wondering why they bothered. It basically looks like yet another F13 film. I'm sure it will do fine box-office wise (sadly, probably the only reason) but adds nothing to the overall story.
As someone mentioned - It isn't even really a remake since Jason is the killer this go-around. If they wanted to continue the series, why not just keep going to the originally planned 13 entries in the series instead of re-starting it?
In regards to NOES in particular, I have high regard for the first film in the series which was tainted with the sequels. If I thought they were taking the approach of the first film and really trying to make a truly horrifying film again, I'd be happy to see what they could do. If they are just making another Freddy-cracking-one-liners nonsense again, I doubt I'll watch.
Honestly, I have to say - as highly touted Craven is a director, I personally see a lot of room for improvement in almost all of his films. I'd put the Hills Have Eyes remake above the first, while conveniently ignoring the added scene of the guy wandering into the faux-town used for nuclear testing. Even with the strange additions, it had a creepier feel to it in that the baddies weren't running around wearing Flintstones costumes (and perms!) sans the original. 
Of course, I have thought various films were ripe for remakes only to be completely stunned by the horrible job done on those said films when someone had the same idea, so take it for what it is worth... |
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Killer Klown
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Points that are all well-taken, Casey. I guess that there is the question of are there going to be sequels to the remakes? I agree that if there is a fresh idea or complete redo, that is something to look forward too. The article on NOES said that the angle that they were looking for was to make a "truly terrifying horror movie." Guess that hasnt been done in awhile. I agree that this is one of the gems of the genre, and i would go as far as to say that the first two films were about all that was watchable (Part 2 caused me to have my mom drive me to school for the next 2 years). We shall see how it goes. Anyone thoughts on a redo of Last House on the Left?
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If the remake does well, I'm sure there will be sequels. The question is are they remakes of sequels or new sequels?
Glad to hear that they are aiming for the "truly terrifying" route. I hope they actually succeed. NOES has an interesting mythos to it in the whole "what happens in your dreams happens in reality" twist, which is really good territory to play with - of course, the sequels showed that it can get rather mundane fairly quickly. I thought Craven borrowed generously from Coscarelli's Phantasm for it, but it worked. That said, I expect the remake to be bad but that means the filmmakers have plenty of room to prove me wrong. I assume Michael Bay... again?
I thought they remade Last House in Deodato's The House on the Edge of the Park? Complete with David Hess! Personally, I have never understood why Last House has the following/reputation that it does. I found it really plodding and amateurish personally. It may be ripe for remake possibilities, but it would need a major overhaul script-wise to plug some of those "what are they thinking?" holes from the original. It might be horror-heresy to say this, but if they did remake it - I hope it would be a much different story.
Actually, it is kind of interesting. The "revenge" 70s horror flicks have been relatively untouched in this mass-remake extravaganza and even in the original horror these days. What's up with that? Not that I think I Spit on Your Grave is crying out for a remake, but it is kind of strange to see this sub-genre relatively ignored these days. Or am I missing some? |
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daphne
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I'm not sure if anyone wants to be tied with what would be construed as exploitation nowadays. The last few films on the rape subject that quickly pop into mind (The General's Daughter, The Accused, Boys Don't Cry) weren't in the horror genre. Could it be that anyone who attempts to put a horror feel to this subject is going to be singled out by special interest groups and systematically crucified?
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Killer Klown
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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In the horror genre, thats going to happen anyways, daphne. Whether its parents groups screaming about showing children being murdered onscreen or movie makers depicting Santa Claus as an axe-murderer, there is going to be singling out and flack. The truth of it all is that the more that happens, the more people want to see it. Case in point is the film "Silent Night Deadly Night" Here's a film that caused quite a stink, and they wanted it pulled from the shelves, but i have yet to find someone that didnt hear of the film, or someone that didnt like it say that they didnt see it.
I do think that rape is a delicate subject in the United States, because we are still at the stage in the game in this country where people still feel that if it appears on the big screen or film, that it is an endorsement of it. Or at least thats what the special interest groups would think. I also think that there has been plenty of horror spin on the subject already that has flown relatively low below the interest groups radar. Example, The Entity, with Barbara Hershey. Here, we have a monster that have been assaulting and raping a woman throughout the film...guess it was ok because an invisible spirit was the perpertrator? As well as The Incubus with John Cassavettes. No static there either.
"Its only when David Hess shows his ugly face that there is a problem." Now, thats the rule I live by.  David is a saint in my book for delivering "To All A Goodnight" to us, and sticking it to the special interest groups because he gave them a killer Santa also, but no rape.
-Killer Klown
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daphne
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You know, I have unfortunately been shoved into suburban USA with having 2 kids and a military husband. Because of this, I can tell you with a whole heart that there are tons of people who don't want to see Silent Night, Deadly Night. It might be weird to hear this from a horror fanatic, but we are not the majority. Much of the country hates horror, and much of the country hates these types of movies.
They adapt the Rogers/Ebert view on the exploitation movie, that the woman is the victim and these movies are used to promote violence against such. Whether or not that is true via PERCENTAGE means naught to these types of people. We both - you and I, Klown - know that many of the people who enjoy these movies are women, but it doesn't hinder the fact that the majority is what rules what rules the screens that make the money.
I wonder in any of these genres if the main bane of the screen-possibility is the status quo, of which we are not truly aware. I've begun to feel a great foot of clay here in Casey's forums; however, we are sadly a small pond meandering into a festering ocean of hetero-Nambla-Baptist-converatist-creationismistic.... fuckerwittery.... agh...... well you get my drift. It is the end of a good day when we find each other, smiling, crazed, with a new dvd in hand, popcorn in the other, when on the news someone's daughter hasn't been shoved into a suitcase and blamed on the Florida gators.
I can only hope you understand my point. We are not the majority. But I feel we are no lesser for that fact.
I do bet we are cuter.
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daphne
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P.S. I remember The Entity. I watched it with a bunch of teenage boys who were my brother's age.
To be brutally honest, not one of them thought of the women's pain, only that her boobs moved. To this, I say it is the ultimate job of the parent to make sure kids understand fantasy vs. fiction, and that empathy and respect are real. Sure, it was a good movie, but this group of guys saw it as a way to see a nekked lady. I remember sitting there thinking "If one of these bastards asks me to take my top off, I'm going to scream."
Did it damage the way they saw women later on? I don't think so. They all got married and are now doing very well with kids. But the reason they were OK was because they had strong family units and close ties to their friends. Our neighborhood was a strong group.
So, if one were to say something has ruined any child it wouldn't be horror - it would a lack of parental common sense. The kind that doesn't depend on V chips, or censors, or strict censorship. The reason someone goes bad may be because they have no guidance, period.
Let's face it - if you've raised a child from the age of birth to 16 years and one movie "corrupts" them, you just suck as a parent.
Sorry. That's my rant on parental responsibility and outside stimuli. Sure, I have kids. Sure, I have a tv. But, I can tell my kids the difference.
Um, Duh.
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Killer Klown
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| Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Powerful thoughts, daphne...
I agree for the most part about your input, daphne, and from a financial and acclaim standpoint, it is very true that the majority of people arent that enthused about horror. Otherwise, I guess Jason Voorhees would have killed it at the Oscars...no pun intended. I'm saying that there are many people out there that say that they dont want to see things like that, but yet the sales at the box office and the rental receipts show otherwise. Much the same way that a well-known shock-jock on New York radio (who will remain nameless, and can be more vulgar than some horror movies) is listened to quite a bit by his faithful listens, but he is listened to even more by the detractors and the people that hate his guts.
I dont feel that they hate these movies, its just that they feel that they have their place and time (horror, in general, I mean). I have been to countless splatter films with entourage that have despised horror up and down, but yet they still want to see the next NOES, or the new Halloween movie, or more recently, The Strangers.
Horror is an underclass and the dark side of the mainstream, and it has its own mainstream. At times it is everything that the mainstream is, and at times it is everything that it isnt. Just about every movie made in horror has a target audience, or specific group that its suppose to inspire more fear in than others. I agree that we are a small pond in a cesspool of filth that is controlled by the people that have control. Such is life. Those without knowledge or power are at the mercy of those that do. If were are talking about the exploitation/rape film, there has to be some truth that the majority of the people that watch them are women. If they want to REALLY do a horror movie about exploitation they should do a movie about the Big Dig Project here in Boston. The morons that re-arranged the entire Boston City Highway system screwed it all up at the economically-low price of $55 billion dollars. So, they are going to hike our tolls up to $7, so only the people on the North Shore pay for it.
I hope that i am following your train of thought on this, but i agree that its nice to enjoy the horror that we subscribe to, when around us there isnt horror we dont subscribe to. But also sometimes horror feeds into the belief that these people are brought to justice in 90 minutes.
-Killer Klown
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daphne
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Yup. We are in the same mindset.
I had another thought whilst reminiscing about people's reactions to the fact that we have Fangoria in the guest bathroom. Is it possible that many of the "horror haters" are closet lovers, afraid to express that they do love a good slasher pic for fear of ticking off their spouse? Heh.
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Killer Klown
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Hahaha!!!! <KK spills his cranberry juice on that one.) That one is more true than you know, daphne. I have honestly been with a lady that hated it and thought the same thing that it was exploiting violence and womens ta-ta's. Well, when we went to the video store to get the weekend stash, i was fiddling in the action section wishing i could get a Chuck Norris film, when she says shes ready to go. She has 3 movies in the bag and she shows me 2 of them. Apparently, this woman was stashing a copy of Cronenberg's "They Came From Within." I was shocked to no living end.
I believe that there are a lot of people that are like that because they're afraid that people may think them strange or deviant for like of "that kind" of film. Same thing with adult movies. People are hypocrites when it comes to that too. Even though the US has the most websites, most stars, and produces the most movies, the biggest buyers are the Chinese, and the South Koreans (28%, and 21% of the worlds retail respectively). And one is communist, figure that one out.
Anyways, i have run out of soap, so i will leave this discussion here, and get back to shoveling and watching "Curtains"
-Killer Klown
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Holy shit, let me get my snacks and a nice guys arm to squeeze on, the benefits of a boyfriend hahaha
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I am enraged by this remake.  From what I have heard from interviews from the new director they're changing freddy to a silent killer! He was amazing because he wasn't a Jazon or Myers, if they even cared about horror they would at least keep Freddy the way he was. |
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Platinum Dunes, baby. Gotta love it. 
Beyond being completely disgusted by this actually happening AND that Englund isn't involved, I suppose I couldn't think of a better choice than Haley. I doubt i'll actually pay and support it in the theater, more than likely, buy a ticket to something else and sneak in, but i'm interested to see how he handles it. Other than that, screw it. |
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